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#170: Why Church Community Building Is So Hard (How We Got Here)

The loneliness epidemic has deep roots. Dwight Zscheile and Dr. Jennifer Wojciechowski explore why.

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Cultivating Christian community can feel really hard today, but the reasons run deeper than most church leaders realize. In part one of this two-part conversation, Luther Seminary professor Dwight Zscheile sits down with church historian Dr. Jennifer Wojciechowski to trace the roots of today’s loneliness epidemic and discipleship crisis from the Renaissance through the Enlightenment and into our present moment. Along the way, they explore how thinkers like Locke, Rousseau, Mill, and Nietzsche quietly reshaped the West’s story about what it means to be human, and how that story is now shaping the people sitting in your pews.

This conversation won’t offer a quick fix for church community building, but it will give you something more valuable: clarity about the cultural forces you’re actually working against, and a renewed sense of why the church’s vision of human life together is more countercultural and more needed than ever. Part two will pick up with the 20th century and explore what all of this means for faithful church leadership today.

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Dr. Jennifer Hornyak Wojciechowski
Jennifer Hornyak Wojciechowski
Assistant Professor of Church History, Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minnesota

Dr. Jennifer Hornyak Wojciechowski is an assistant professor of Church History at Luther Seminary in St. Paul, MN, and the associate editor of the journal Word & World. Her areas of scholarship include the history of Christianity, women’s history, American history, Christian mysticism, and the intersection of religion and social reform. She is the author of Women and the Christian Story: A Global History (2022), and Tending the Garden: A History of Christian Mysticism (February 2025). 

Host

Faith+Lead Headshot of The Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile, VP of Innovation, Luther Seminary.
Dwight Zscheile
Professor of Congregational Mission and Leadership, Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minnesota

Dwight Zscheile is professor of congregational mission and leadership at Luther Seminary. His latest books are The Starter’s Way (with Ed Olsworth-Peter) and Embracing the Mixed Ecology (with Blair Pogue).

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Dwight Zscheile
Professor of Congregational Mission and Leadership, Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minnesota

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