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#104: Can the West Be Converted?

Discover how to move beyond quick fixes and embrace a deeper transformation in your church with Dr. Michael Goheen.

American pastors want things fast, large, and famous… but the kingdom of God comes slowly, in small and mostly unrecognized ways.” In this paradigm-shifting conversation, Dr. Michael W. Goheen challenges our deeply held assumptions about church growth and success. Through the story of a remarkable turnaround in a dying congregation, Goheen demonstrates what happens when a church stops chasing quick fixes and begins to question its cultural captivity to growth metrics.

Join hosts Dwight Zscheile and Terri Elton as they explore with Goheen how Western cultural idolatries shape our approach to church leadership, what we can learn from Lesslie Newbigin’s missionary insights, and how ordinary church practices can be reoriented toward authentic renewal. Whether you’re leading a growing congregation or struggling with decline, this episode will help you discern the difference between cultural definitions of success and genuine participation in God’s mission.

Resources Mentioned:

  • “Foolishness to the Greeks” by Lesslie Newbigin
  • “The Gospel in a Pluralist Society” by Lesslie Newbigin
  • “The Church and Its Vocation” by Michael Goheen
  • “Becoming a Missionary Church” by Michael Goheen
  • “The Imperfect Pastor” by Zack Eswine
  • Dr. Goheen’s website with free resources – https://missionworldview.com/
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Dr. Michael W. Goheen

Dr. Michael Goheen is Professor of Missional Theology and Director of Theological Education at the Missional Training Center in Phoenix. He has authored numerous books on missiology and ecclesiology, including "The Church and Its Vocation: Lesslie Newbigin's Missional Ecclesiology." With extensive experience as a church planter, pastor, and educator, Dr. Goheen brings a wealth of knowledge on the intersection of the gospel, culture, and the church's mission.

Meet Your Hosts

  • Terri Elton

    Terri Martinson Elton began teaching at Luther Seminary as an adjunct instructor in 2004 before becoming the director of the Center for Children, Youth and Family Ministry in 2008. In addition to her continued work with the Center, Elton accepted the position of associate professor of Children, Youth and Family Ministry in 2010 and associate professor of Leadership in 2014.

    Prior to her call to Luther Seminary, Elton served as an associate to the bishop in the Saint Paul Area Synod where her responsibilities included working with congregations, leadership development, First Call theological education and youth and family ministry.

    Before her work in the synod, she served at Prince of Peace Lutheran Church in Burnsville, Minn. for 16 years. While at Prince of Peace she worked in various roles within children, youth and family ministries, as well as served as the director of Changing Church Forum, an outreach ministry of Prince of Peace. She also authored To Know, To Live, To Grow, a confirmation curriculum, and co-authored What Really Matters, a book for congregational leaders, with the Rev. Mike Foss.

    Elton holds a B.A. degree in communications from Concordia College in Moorhead, Minn. (1986). She earned both her M.A. (1998) and Ph.D. (2007) degrees in Congregational Mission and Leadership from Luther Seminary.

    Elton’s research and teaching interests include: congregational leadership, leading in the midst of change and conflict, helping ministry leaders craft a missional ecclesiology with an eye toward the First Third of Life, awakening a vibrant theology of baptism and vocation and reimagining faith and mission practices for children, youth, young adults and their families.

    Elton is a member of the Academy of Religious Leadership, the Association of Youth Ministry Educators, the ELCA Youth Ministry Network and the American Society of Missiology and is on the board for Real Resources. Elton spends much of her time working with congregations and congregational leaders and seeks out opportunities for enhancing ministry with those in the First Third of Life within the ELCA.

  • Dr. Dwight Zscheile

    Dr. Dwight Zscheile is vice president of innovation and professor of congregational mission and leadership at Luther Seminary. His latest book is Leading Faithful Innovation: Following God into a Hopeful Future (with Michael Binder and Tessa Pinkstaff, Fortress Press, 2023).

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