5.58: How to Help Your Church Change Through Design Thinking

In this Pivot podcast episode, Dwight Zscheile and guest Ramon Pastrano address the common struggle of church leaders navigating change, exploring challenges, and proposing a better approach, emphasizing design thinking

We know things need to change in our church, but where do we start?

In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, host Dwight Zscheile addresses the common struggle church leaders face in navigating change with guest Dr. Ramon Pastrano, a specialist in transformational leadership. Together they explore the challenges of making changes in churches, highlighting pitfalls and proposing a better approach, emphasizing the significance of the design thinking process.

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Ramon Pastrano

Dr. Ramon Pastrano is founder and board member of Twin Cities-based ImpactLives, Inc. and founder of Third Sphere LLC, a center for transformational leadership in cultural competence, social innovation, and entrepreneurship. Pastrano is fluent in human-centered design, design thinking, system thinking, service learning, social responsibility, social innovation, transformational leadership, and entrepreneurial leadership.

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  • Dwight Zscheile

    Dwight Zscheile is vice president of innovation and professor of congregational mission and leadership at Luther Seminary. His latest book is Leading Faithful Innovation: Following God into a Hopeful Future (with Michael Binder and Tessa Pinkstaff, Fortress Press, 2023).

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