5.61: Fostering Faith in Everyday Life

Shift focus from membership to impactful discipleship with insights from guests Tania Haber and Jason Van Hunnik.

Are your church programs making the impact you’re hoping for? If you answered yes, no, or not sure, this is the place to start. In this episode of Pivot podcast, hosts Alicia Granholm and Dwight Zscheile dig into why focusing on membership doesn’t necessarily mean that people are becoming disciples of Jesus.

Guests Tania Haber and Jason Van Hunnik, two pastors who have discovered a way forward for their church, describe a mindset shift that orients church activities in a different direction. Net result? Individuals contribute to fostering faith that impacts everyday lives without the overwhelm of programs.

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Jason Van Hunnik Headshot

Jason Van Hunnik

Jason Van Hunnik is the Senior Pastor at Westwood Lutheran Church in St. Louis Park, MN.

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Tania Haber

Tania Haber is a Pastor at Westwood Lutheran Church in St. Louis Park, MN.

Meet Your Hosts

  • Dwight Zscheile

    Dwight Zscheile is vice president of innovation and professor of congregational mission and leadership at Luther Seminary. His latest book is Leading Faithful Innovation: Following God into a Hopeful Future (with Michael Binder and Tessa Pinkstaff, Fortress Press, 2023).

  • Alicia Granholm

    Alicia Granholm is senior director of Faith+Lead and a leadership and church consultant based in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. She helps pastors and leaders engage culture to make a lasting impact. For nearly two decades, she has trained, equipped, and empowered followers of Jesus to engage their local communities by contextualizing the Gospel and its application. Alicia compassionately crosses cultural boundaries having lived, studied, traveled, and served in 25 countries on six continents. Alicia has a Doctor of Strategic Leadership, Global Consulting (Regent University), MDiv (Bethel Seminary), and MA in Teaching (University of St. Thomas).

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