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#199: Getting Your Congregation Involved in Preaching with Peter Levenstrong

Peter Levenstrong joins Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm to talk about Living Stories sermons.

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Every sermon forms a congregation into something, whether the preacher names it or not. At St. Gregory of Nyssa Episcopal Church in San Francisco, Associate Rector Peter Levenstrong and his colleagues have spent several years experimenting with Living Stories sermons, a collaborative approach to preaching adapted from Godly Play. The preacher reads the gospel while moving simple figures through the story, then asks a series of wondering questions, and the congregation builds the sermon together. Peter, author of Collaborative Sermons, joins Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm to describe what that looks like on a Sunday morning and what it has done for people over time.

Peter talks about how he mirrors back the best possible interpretation of what each person shares, why he now worries more about what people leave unsaid, and why he compares a lecture sermon to a buffet and a collaborative one to a potluck. For preachers who aren’t ready to try the whole method, he suggests starting with a single wondering question and seeing what happens when you trust the Holy Spirit, scripture, and the people in the room.

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Peter Levenstrong
Episcopal priest and Associate Rector at St. Gregory of Nyssa Church in San Francisco, CA

Peter Levenstrong is an Episcopal priest and Associate Rector at St. Gregory of Nyssa Church in San Francisco, where he helped develop “Living Stories Sermons,” a collaborative, intergenerational approach to preaching built on tactile storytelling and open-ended wondering questions, adapted from the Godly Play tradition of children’s faith formation. He’s the author of the new book Collaborative Sermons: A Guide to Authentic, Interactive Worship through Living Stories(Church Publishing), and writes The Human Part, a newsletter on keeping people at the center of religious life as AI reshapes it. He holds an M.Div. from Yale Divinity School and is a Trinity Leadership Fellow and Episcopal Church Foundation Fellow.

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Faith+Lead Headshot of The Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile, VP of Innovation, Luther Seminary.
Dwight Zscheile
Professor of Congregational Mission and Leadership, Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minnesota

The Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile is professor of congregational mission and leadership at Luther Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota.

He is the author of Embracing the Mixed Ecology (with Blair Pogue, Seabury Books, 2025), Leading Faithful Innovation: Following God into a Hopeful Future (with Michael Binder and Tessa Pinkstaff, Fortress 2023), Participating in God’s Mission: A Theological Missiology for the U.S. (with Craig Van Gelder, Eerdmans 2018), The Agile Church: Spirit-Led Innovation in an Uncertain Age (Morehouse Publishing, 2014), People of the Way: Renewing Episcopal Identity (Morehouse Publishing, 2012) and The Missional Church in Perspective: Mapping Trends and Shaping the Conversation (with Craig Van Gelder, Baker Academic 2011), editor of Cultivating Sent Communities: Missional Spiritual Formation (Eerdmans, 2012), and co-editor (with Ed Olsworth-Peter) of The Starter’s Way: Leading New Contextual Christian Communities (Church Publishing, 2025).

A graduate of Stanford University (B.A.), Yale University (M.Div.), and Luther Seminary (Ph.D., Congregational Mission and Leadership), Dwight previously served congregations in Minnesota, Virginia, and Connecticut. Dwight’s experience growing up in a secular home in California has shaped his commitment to helping the church cultivate Christian community with neighbors in today’s changing world.

Faith+Lead Headshot of Dr. Alicia Granholm, Senior Director of Faith+Lead.
Alicia Granholm
Senior Director, Faith+Lead, Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minnesota

Dr. Alicia Granholm is senior director of Faith+Lead at Luther Seminary and a leadership and church consultant based in Minneapolis, Minnesota. She helps pastors and leaders engage culture to make a lasting impact. For nearly two decades, she has trained, equipped, and empowered followers of Jesus to engage their local communities by contextualizing the Gospel and its application. Alicia compassionately crosses cultural boundaries having lived, studied, traveled, and served in 25 countries on six continents. Alicia has a Doctor of Strategic Leadership, Global Consulting (Regent University), M.Div. (Bethel Seminary), and M.A. in Teaching (University of St. Thomas).

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Featuring

Peter Levenstrong contributor headshot.
Peter Levenstrong
Episcopal priest and Associate Rector at St. Gregory of Nyssa Church in San Francisco, CA

Peter Levenstrong is an Episcopal priest and Associate Rector at St. Gregory of Nyssa Church in San Francisco, where he helped develop “Living Stories Sermons,” a collaborative, intergenerational approach to preaching built on tactile storytelling and open-ended wondering questions, adapted from the Godly Play tradition of children’s faith formation. He’s the author of the new book Collaborative Sermons: A Guide to Authentic, Interactive Worship through Living Stories(Church Publishing), and writes The Human Part, a newsletter on keeping people at the center of religious life as AI reshapes it. He holds an M.Div. from Yale Divinity School and is a Trinity Leadership Fellow and Episcopal Church Foundation Fellow.

Hosts

Faith+Lead Headshot of The Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile, VP of Innovation, Luther Seminary.
Dwight Zscheile
Professor of Congregational Mission and Leadership, Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minnesota

The Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile is professor of congregational mission and leadership at Luther Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota.

He is the author of Embracing the Mixed Ecology (with Blair Pogue, Seabury Books, 2025), Leading Faithful Innovation: Following God into a Hopeful Future (with Michael Binder and Tessa Pinkstaff, Fortress 2023), Participating in God’s Mission: A Theological Missiology for the U.S. (with Craig Van Gelder, Eerdmans 2018), The Agile Church: Spirit-Led Innovation in an Uncertain Age (Morehouse Publishing, 2014), People of the Way: Renewing Episcopal Identity (Morehouse Publishing, 2012) and The Missional Church in Perspective: Mapping Trends and Shaping the Conversation (with Craig Van Gelder, Baker Academic 2011), editor of Cultivating Sent Communities: Missional Spiritual Formation (Eerdmans, 2012), and co-editor (with Ed Olsworth-Peter) of The Starter’s Way: Leading New Contextual Christian Communities (Church Publishing, 2025).

A graduate of Stanford University (B.A.), Yale University (M.Div.), and Luther Seminary (Ph.D., Congregational Mission and Leadership), Dwight previously served congregations in Minnesota, Virginia, and Connecticut. Dwight’s experience growing up in a secular home in California has shaped his commitment to helping the church cultivate Christian community with neighbors in today’s changing world.

Faith+Lead Headshot of Dr. Alicia Granholm, Senior Director of Faith+Lead.
Alicia Granholm
Senior Director, Faith+Lead, Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minnesota

Dr. Alicia Granholm is senior director of Faith+Lead at Luther Seminary and a leadership and church consultant based in Minneapolis, Minnesota. She helps pastors and leaders engage culture to make a lasting impact. For nearly two decades, she has trained, equipped, and empowered followers of Jesus to engage their local communities by contextualizing the Gospel and its application. Alicia compassionately crosses cultural boundaries having lived, studied, traveled, and served in 25 countries on six continents. Alicia has a Doctor of Strategic Leadership, Global Consulting (Regent University), M.Div. (Bethel Seminary), and M.A. in Teaching (University of St. Thomas).